[Cvsnt] Can't see repository in WinCVS 1.3

Fri May 3 03:13:19 BST 2002

Hi Bo!

Thanks again for the information. This helps tremendously!!! And its good to
hear that in the future projects may be browsable in WinCVS.

(1) Modules pane - i see the modules and their status (whether checkout or
not, and that's it) in the Modules pane. The check on top of the folder
indicates its checked out. Then I switch to the Explore pane and see the
actual files copied to my local drive. Now I understand this.

(2) I was unable to delete C:\ in the combo box but after entering the path
to the repository (C:\Cvs if running WinCVS and CVSNT on same machine or if
I run WinCVS on another machine, I must give the mapped path T:\Cvs), I am
able to see the modules, and only the modules, and not everything on the
hard drive which is less confusing.

(3) In Explorer, all the files are marked with a crossed out pencil. I then
highlight a file, click on the pencil button (Edit Selection) which makes it
Read/Write. I can then edit the file and save it and commit changes.

If our group decide to use CVS, I will write an idiots guide to CVSWin and
post it to the web because the Help files for the application are seriously
lacking. :)

Thanks again for your help!
-Elsa

-----Original Message-----
From: Bo Berglund [mailto:bo.berglund at telia.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:45 PM
To: 'Durante, Elsa'
Cc: 'CVS-NT List'
Subject: RE: [Cvsnt] Can't see repository in WinCVS 1.3

Hi,
the Modules pane should display only the contents of your checked out
workspace.
It is used to quickly switch between checked out modules on your hard disk,
not
to browse the server repository.

If you look in the top toolbar row you will find a combobox in the center
and next
to it (right side) a button with two folders. This is where you change
between
checked out workspaces on your hard disk. You must define a workspace for
WinCvs
using the button, after this is done this selection is in the combobox list
for
quick selection in the future.
Per default (stupidly!) installation c:\ is added to this list and I advice
that you
remove it ASAP. Do as follows:
Select the item c:\ in the combobox, then press the Delete key on your
keyboard.
Answer OK on the question to delete from the list. Now the drive root is
gone.

Regarding pencils
This is how WinCvs tells you if a file is editable or read-only. I always
check out
modules r/w but some prefer to check out read only and then when they start
editing
a file they use the 'Edit' command on the file to tell CVS that they are
starting the
edit session. In cases where email notification is set up this action
triggers an
email to people watching this file and thus provides some kind of
information across
people editing the same file.
But otherwise there is no real use for this mode.

Repositories and browsing
I guess that you are just evaluating CVS and that is the reason you keep
CVSNT and
the repository on your own PC. The normal configuration is to have CVSNT as
a server
on a separate PC on the network and the WinCvs client on workstations. In
this case
there is no way to browse the repository contents except using the CVSWeb
service
on the CVS server.
This might change in the future though, because Tony Hoyle (the maintainer
of CVSNT)
has added a nifty command for cvs that can be used to create a browser
directly in
WinCvs. The command is cvs ls and it lists the directories and files on the
repository
(given proper command arguments of course). Enough data to make a browsing
view of
the repository.
If I was any good at C++ I would volonteer to program this browser, but I am
only a
poor ObjectPascal sod so I can't do that.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Durante, Elsa [mailto:elsa_durante at hp.com]
Sent: den 2 maj 2002 20:00
To: 'bo.berglund at telia.com'
Subject: RE: [Cvsnt] Can't see repository in WinCVS 1.3

Hi Bo,

Thank you for your reply and for the references!

So, in WinCvs, in the "Modules" pane, it displays the entire directory
structure on my machine starting at C:\. When I open the folders it displays
my files with pencil icons next to them. Some of the pencils have a
cross-out mark. What do these mean? This is what gave me the impression that
I could 'browse' the repository.

Do you know if there is a way to prevent CVSWin from displaying C:\
(everything on my hard-drive) and displaying only files under CVS control?
Do you know what the purpose is for the "Module" pane if we cannot browse
modules? Is it to see configuration files?

I apologize if my questions seem a little goofy, its just that CVS seems a
little counter-intuitive to me (unlike what I have used in the past).

Thank you again for your help!
-Elsa

-----Original Message-----
From: bo.berglund at telia.com [mailto:bo.berglund at telia.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 AM
To: cvsnt at cvsnt.org
Subject: Re: [Cvsnt] Can't see repository in WinCVS 1.3

You cannot 'see' anything in the repository at all! The CVS system has
no method of displaying the contents of the repository or allow a user
to 'browse' for some interesting stuff to check out. It is simply not
there.

What you do with CVS is:
1. Set up the server with a repository folder (all version controlled
files get information about them stored here by the server, but it is
in a special non-usable format for your development application).

2. Import a source module into CVS using the import command

3. Check out the imported module to a working area on your local hard
disk. This is the step you missed and it is crucial, you MUST do this.
The checkout must be done to an empty workspace because cvs needs to
set up some local directories for version control as well. The
directory from which you imported the files is not usable for a
working area.
Note that in this step you must *know* the name of the module on the
server because there is no way for you to browse the repository.

4. Develop your application in the working area by editing the source
files there.

5. As often as you like you commit your changes to the cvs server
which keeps track of every single committed revision for all coming
time. You can get every one back out later.

Repeat cycle 4-5 as often as you need.

Note on browsing:
There is a way to add a second service to the cvs server so that you
can 'browse' the contents of the repository. This is by adding CVSWeb
to the server. But then you also need to add a web server to the
server PC (Microsoft Internet Information Server) because it runs as a
web browsing service.

More to read:
http://www.devguy.com/fp/cfgmgmt/cvs/
http://www.devguy.com/fp/cfgmgmt/cvs/cvs_admin_nt.htm#CVSWEBIIS
http://www.cvsnt.org/pipermail/cvsnt/2002-March/004046.html

HTH,

/Bo

On Thu, 2 May 2002 02:16:55 +0000 (UTC), "Durante, Elsa"
<elsa_durante at hp.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I just installed CVSNT 1.11.1.3 on my server with Environment Variables
>CVSROOT as :ntserver:servername:c:/cvs and HOME as C:/  I am using CVSWin
>1.3.4.3 on the same machine (this is a test installation). I am logged in
>with my NT domain account which has administrator access to all
directories.
>
>I can open CVSWin just fine. I can see everything in the C: drive
**except**
>the CVS repository C:/cvs. I created another repository root C:/TEST using
>the applet. I move to the TEST directory and try to add a new project by
>going to Create/Import Module.... I then select a directory on a diskette.
I
>add it and it says it does it with success (no error messages). The new
>module does not appear in the TEST directory, instead it ends up in the
>C:/cvs directory which is the directory I cannot see in WinCVS.  My
>expectation is that the new directory will appear in the TEST directory. Am
>I missing something here?
>
>Also, does anyone know of any good documentation on CVSNT? It seems like
its
>slim pickins for Windows people.
>
>Thanks!
>- New to CVS and Version Control
>
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/Bo
(Bo Berglund, developer in Sweden)
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